Links: Progressive Christian Sites
It’s easy for atheists to brand all Christians as anti-scientific, irrational, deluded and bible-literalistic. Like all stereotypes this is dangerously simplistic. Here are some links to progressive Christians and their sites who often take a more open-minded and pluralist approach to their faith and beliefs. We may not agree about there being a non-physical divine presence, but it’s valuable to see what they have to say.
Alex McCullie
Progressive Christian Network of Victoria (Australia)
Centre for Progressive Religious Thought (Australia)
Marcus J Borg (site1) (site2) (blog)
Center for Progressive Christianity (About us)
BeliefNet (a mixture of religious opinions)
Religious Tolerance (a mixture of religious and non-religious beliefs)
No commentsComment: look at this crazy Christian site
If you want a laugh, then have a look at http://www.theamericannightmare.org/. I particularly enjoyed the blasphemy section! Admittedly I found its shouting style (large bold fonts) tedious after a while. Of course I wouldn’t recommend too much time on this site any way. I’m sure you have better things to do.
To be balanced here is a more reasonable Christian-based site: http://templeton.org.
Alex McCullie
No commentsComment: Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences
Discover magazine article How To Teach Science to the Pope 18-Aug-2008 describes the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the testy (at times) relationship between the Academy’s independence and church doctrine. One example was over the need for population control promoted by the Academy that was contrary to the church’s opposition to birth control and contraception. (See article 16-Jun-1994) From the 1994 article Cardinal Clancy makes a particularly instructive remark showing how religious leaders react to being challenged.
Edward Cardinal Clancy of Sydney, Australia, said that in cases of perceived conflict between the church and scientists, “the question mark must rather be raised over what’s being said in the name of science.”
The Discover article highlights some interesting aspects of science and religion.
First, I think science is often misrepresented as conducted by robot-like white coated scientists who are devoid of feelings and concerns about people. Nothing could be further from the truth. Often they are very passsionate about their work and the potential benefits for humanity. However the important aspect, though, is that they work in accordance with accepted methods that have proved very successful at generating reliable information. Speculation - reasoned and superstitious - can be very much part of religion and philosophy. On the other hand science attempts to minimised speculation and human wishful thinking by making hypotheses, conclusions and research data in some way empirically-based.
Second, “scientism” is an easy catch-call when scientific research and discoveries threaten firmly-held religious beliefs and dogmas. Heliocentic view of Earth, Theory of Evolution and Neuroscience are providing convincing support for a physicalist view of humans and our world. Religious leaders often react in two different ways. Some deny all scientific achievements that contradict their sacred texts. The Earth was created 6000 years ago and evolution is the work of Satan. While others dramatically re-interpret scriptures to be more science-friendly and evolution-friendly. However “scientism” still comes out of the cupboard whenever the religious feel threatened. Our society has an almost automatic assumption that religious people, who are often just purveyors of their particular religious beliefs and dogma, are somehow more qualified to talk about human well-being than anyone else. Thoughtful scientists, philosophers, religious leaders, politicians and others should all be assessed on the merits of their comments and expertise regardless of whether they are the Dali Lama or the Pope or the local priest or a Nobel prize winning biologist.
Third, a common retort to critics of religious belief is that they attacked an old-fashion version of God. Typically these religious thinkers present a very attenuated version of God that seems devoid of the classic theist properties - all powerful, ever present, all loving, interested in humans and interventionist. That is until we talk specifics. Most religious leaders still believe miracles happen - temporary suspension of all natural laws by a divine being to use Hume’s definition. Some though place an upper limit of numbers otherwise our lives would be unpredictable. Thank you for small mercies.
The Discover article quotes Father Rafael Martínez, the STOQ program director at Holy Cross.
Martínez explains that while rare, miracles are still plausible. “Our world is a very complex world in which chaos and uncertainty have a big part… but the odds are one in many terabillions,” he says. “That would be not a problem in my point of view because this event would be guided in a way without contradicting natural laws.”
It doesn’t get fluffier than that - if not contradicting natural laws so why is it a miracle? It is hard to know what to make of miracles from scientifically aware believers. They need miracles to demonstrate the validity of their religion. But claiming too many exposes them to being shown to have natural causes or worse not even happening at all. To a critic it is also interesting that most “real” miracles seem to have occurred in more primitive times prior to the advent of modern science. A cynic might suppose that God is shier today than 2000 years ago or, perhaps, He does not exist at all.
Finally, religious thinkers on one hand use a very nebulous, non-invasive, loving version of God to defend His existence and to criticise atheists as attacking a “straw man”. Then in the next breath many firm up supporting very restrictive religious rules on human behaviour such as a prohibition of contraception even if demonstrated to help reduce HIV infection.
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Teaching Evolution to a Creationist World
Two articles on David Campbell’s struggle to teach evolution in the creationist state of Florida. (science blogs 24-Aug-2008) (NYT 23-Aug-2008)
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Stephen Law’s Book Club - God Delusion
Stephen Law, British philosopher, discusses Richard Dawkin’s God Delusion (chapter one) as part of his book club. (read more)
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Giordano Bruno - heretic priest burnt 1600
In 1600 Giordano Bruno, a philosopher and former priest, was burnt at the stake in Rome for heresy. He proposed a heliocentric system like Copernicus within an infinite cosmos that consisted of identical particles - “seeds” - not dissimilar to Democritus’s “atoms”. His final blasphemy was to see God as part of this universe and not separate being as prescribed by the church. (interesting article in the New Yorker 25 Aug 2008)
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Scary Incitements at London Mosque
Women preachers are urging followers at one of Britain’s most influential mosques to kill homosexuals and view all non-Muslims as “vile”, according to a television documentary.
The London Central Mosque and Islamic Cultural Centre, known as the Regent’s Park Mosque, is one of the most respected centres for moderate Islam in western Europe. (more at The Times Online 31-Aug 2008)
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Interview - humanism is not a religion
Nigel Warburton, respective British philosopher, interviews Andrew Copson of the British Humanist Association about … What is humanism? Is it a pseudo-religion?
Read interview at Virtual philosopher
Alex McCullie
No commentsNews: Pakistan - Senator defends honour-killings
Senator defends honour-killing
By KHALID AZIZ…ISLAMABAD- A Baloch tribal lord caught the upper house by surprise here on Friday when he came forward defending the honour killing of five women in Balochistan saying ‘these are our norms which should not be highlighted negatively’. (more at The Nation 1-Sep-2008)
Alex McCullie
No commentsEvent: Melbourne 9 Sep 2008 - Lecture The New Atheists…
Atheist Society 8pm Tue 9 September 2008 at Unitarian Hall, 110 Grey Street, East Melbourne (Melways 2G, D2)
The New Atheists and Christian Nationalism Prof Graham Oppy - Monash University
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